Parts source for motor build, turbo, ect

[magus]

So who has the best pricing on internals?  (rods, outputshaft, spacers, ect)

  cheapest lc-1 i've seen is on ebay $150 shipped
Pinky how long would it take to get the turbo we talked about?

  ready to finish this damn thing

[Chris Horoho]

Up to 2-3 weeks pending supply
remind me of turbo size and I'll see if they are still available 

[kurtsbusa]

So who has the best pricing on internals?  (rods, outputshaft, spacers, ect)

  cheapest lc-1 i've seen is on ebay $150 shipped
Pinky how long would it take to get the turbo we talked about?

  ready to finish this damn thing

get with Smithabusa   he can get you the internals you need at a good price

www.boostbysmith.com

[smithabusa]

thanks Kurt,

I have access to Wosner rods / pistons, billet output shaft, gaskets, etc etc

let me know what you need and i can get some prices

greg@boostbysmith.com is my direct email 

Greg

[magus]

cool I didn't know you sold that too Greg.

 hd output shaft
 rods
 stock pistons with hd pins
 head studs
 cometic head gasket
 2 mm cylinder spacer 
 hd valve springs
was also told to replace head freeze plugs with threaded inserts... anyone have details on this?
I want to use a gen 2 crank is the spacing correct or do I need to chage that?

pinky it was one that would fit my old header from tony
you wrote
"yes it will to4e 57 trim with .48 ar exhaust and 5 bolt dump flange mount (they call it a t3 mount in the catalog)"
Dennis recomended "the smaller gt40r twin scroll"


if any one sees something that should be changed or added in the list please lemme know. I'm a newb

[buzard]

going thru all that work stick some pistons in the bike. gt40r nice

[magus]

going thru all that work stick some pistons in the bike. gt40r nice

depends on the price of that bad boy lol


  stock pistons was recomended by dennis

[smithabusa]

ill be honest i get a little lost on what to buy for spacer, rods, pistons when you start doing gen 2 crank etc.

[magus]

thats cool.   Can you quote on the rest and I will send specifics on the other when/if I can get info on whats needed.   If all else fails I can use the gen 1 crank, just had heard better oiling (groves) and a 2mm stroke on the gen 2

Do I need staged boost controll for this type of setup?

[smithabusa]

all depends on what you wanna do, if you are building a 600 hp bike i highly recommend an ams1000

High boost in first gear will be a bit much.

[WerxRacing]

stock pistons with the turbo u got in mind? i would feel safe with a coated piston made for hot heat that turbo or nos produces. i know a person can get stock pistons coated but at the cost to do so. it is worth the extra( under 100.oo ) do go after market. unless i am wrong on this. but not think it is a good idea to push stock pistons over 6 or 8 lbs boost.

[smithabusa]

not sure for his level, but i made 461 hp with stockers

[magus]

Greg  I have decided to not shoot for any specific numbers.    will be mostly a drag bike with occational bike nights.
   you still make controllers?

[magus]

not sure for his level, but i made 461 hp with stockers

they held up good?

[smithabusa]

i haven't broke the pistons yet LOL, that was 3 years ago, but dont really put big boost to it on the street.  but i know of others who have made the same or more power and boost their bikes hard on stockers without issues, now a bad tune will melt them, as well as aftermarket ones as well.

I dont make boost controllers anymore, and for a drag bike making much boost you want something like the ams1000 anyway

[WerxRacing]

well, that 461 is nice. maybe my 1397 would like a turbo.  i was planning on a gen 2 crank also.

[magus]

Pinky any luck on using the megasquirt for boost control? http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/-c-46.html



  did I just open a big ass can of worms        

[magus]

well, that 461 is nice. maybe my 1397 would like a turbo.  i was planning on a gen 2 crank also.

how are you planning to set yours up? rods/spacers....?

[smithabusa]

Pinky any luck on using the megasquirt for boost control? http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/-c-46.html



  did I just open a big ass can of worms        

with the laundry list of stuff you are doing on the bike why would you not want the best boost controller there is to control it?

[WerxRacing]

yes, rods & spacer.  the motor has been broke in with the new build but no miles on it. i have a lot of work  done to the crank now but like the idea of a 1441

[magus]

pinky just sent me specs on the 40r

   I don't think I need/want all that right now.     I'd be more than happy with 450-500 hp

still trying to fit another toy in the budget (nissan 350z) and want to turbo it too

[THEMOTORHEAD]

you can go w one of the new borg warner turbos they are reasonably priced and durable
go with 58 mm inducer

[sportbikeryder]

Unless you need a crank, I'd stick with stock bore and stock stroke.

As for horsepower, you pretty much need to decide what you are looking for in order to choose a turbo for your aplication.

What fuel do you plan to run? Is this with teh water to air cooler you got off of kurt?

WERX I would stay away from 84mm bore on a turbo bike. It can be done, and it does make more power at th esame boostlevel, but it is much less forgiving on tune mishaps. 

[WerxRacing]

what are u needing for the 350z build? a friend here in town is looking at getting one that is wrecked. needs body work but has nice wheels & turbo on it. think he is going to back out on it do to his other toys, a acura rsx & his scion tc3. are not all finished.

[buzard]

Pinky any luck on using the megasquirt for boost control? http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/-c-46.html



  did I just open a big ass can of worms        

if you get greedy they are nice to have. if you kill a stocker you may cost you a motor. i have heard of them making it ti 400 hp, but i would not feel comfortable at that hp in a racing bike. over build it and save your wallet frm the pain later.

[buzard]

Pinky any luck on using the megasquirt for boost control? http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/-c-46.html



  did I just open a big ass can of worms        

now that was funny.

[magus]

if you get greedy they are nice to have. if you kill a stocker you may cost you a motor. i have heard of them making it ti 400 hp, but i would not feel comfortable at that hp in a racing bike. over build it and save your wallet frm the pain later.

yea I may just do all wosner and be done with it

[magus]

Unless you need a crank, I'd stick with stock bore and stock stroke.

As for horsepower, you pretty much need to decide what you are looking for in order to choose a turbo for your aplication.

What fuel do you plan to run? Is this with teh water to air cooler you got off of kurt?

WERX I would stay away from 84mm bore on a turbo bike. It can be done, and it does make more power at th esame boostlevel, but it is much less forgiving on tune mishaps. 

was planning to stay stock bore just do the lil stroke.    have gen1 in motor now already have the gen 2 crank also.
   yep using kurts old cooler

[magus]

you can go w one of the new borg warner turbos they are reasonably priced and durable
go with 58 mm inducer

who sells those?

[magus]

what are u needing for the 350z build? a friend here in town is looking at getting one that is wrecked. needs body work but has nice wheels & turbo on it. think he is going to back out on it do to his other toys, a acura rsx & his scion tc3. are not all finished.

still need everything.  thats what I want is a wrecked one.   a friend of mine has bodyshop with frame machine...    you have info on it?  must be manual and not a convertable.   prob won't have enough for a while unless I sell the gixxer

[magus]

now that was funny.

   I put that in there just for you   

[Big Jay]

Your one stop parts source;  http://www.hayabusazone.com/

[ACE23]

Unless you need a crank, I'd stick with stock bore and stock stroke.

As for horsepower, you pretty much need to decide what you are looking for in order to choose a turbo for your aplication.

What fuel do you plan to run? Is this with teh water to air cooler you got off of kurt?

WERX I would stay away from 84mm bore on a turbo bike. It can be done, and it does make more power at th esame boostlevel, but it is much less forgiving on tune mishaps. 

If you were street riding your bike at 18lb 100% time and weren't trying to bust out big numbers and HAVE A GOOD TUNER...are you comfortable with the 1441 turbo? After talking to Dennis last night he was just saying he used to run 1397 turbos hardcore but just didn't crank them over 30lb. He was saying with the GT4094 on my bike and it being so freaking big that the increased displacement of using an 08 crank with 83-84mm 1407-1441, some streetable 385 lift megacycles and even some port work that the increased ability to flow the exhaust gas would turn it into a pump gas monster...just no dyno shoot outs which is all fine to me. Looks like the 08's with their slightly better flowing head, higher lift cams and increased displacement are making 1-2 Hp more per lb of boost over the GEN 1 bikes. Just being logical if you increased the cams, port the head and inceased displacement on the Gen 1 and can actually reap the benefits because of the larger turbo then you are looking at like I said a pump gas monster. You have to consider everything comes at a price and more risk involved but looks like the only downside is not having the ability to crank it up in big time boost...but street riding who the fuck used 30lb anyway? The cams are proven, dennis said porting the head with a large frame turbo reaps big time benefits and 1397 turbos or 84mm pistons have been around for years.

You always have good opinions and theory ...what do you say?