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« on: December 31, 2007, 11:57:02 PM »

Ok here we go again lost all my info when Pinky crashed the site so here goes again.LOL

Im working on a standalone solution for the busa using a MS i have the board almost done but wanted some input from people to see what they would like in a standalone system.

So far i have
 
Shift light

launch light

Boost control circuit (single stage boost control its there untested so we will see)

W/I control
   
COP drivers

4 10amp relays for general purpose outputs
2 independent 8 Bit microprocessors on board 1 is reserved for auto kill and auto shift with independent kill delay for the shift solenoid the other is user definable it will have a generic ramp rate program loaded into it for use as nossmiley controller or for use with a manual boost controller like one from  boost by smith  (untested so i dont know how it well it will work)

Spare Inj. driver circuit on board  for use with a dual processor board(more on that later)

Spare transistor arrays on board for any additional circuitry that may be wanted

Proto area for people who want to experiment in the future with adding more features to it

Additional headers on the board for the stock ECU header so you can use the pins that were not used from the factory (there is quite a few pins that were not used from the factory so this is nice to add more stuff without adding more headers to the box you just add the pin and wire you want to control or hookup and your done.)

I added some stuff for future revisions like full sequential Inj. when the code is done it will be easy to switch the board over to use the code.



Now some stuff the MS already has in software

There is a million different ways to set the MS up so it really up to want you want to use and need i have tried my best to set up the board to use either the MS1/MS2 chip's with the Extra code .

MS1 extra has.

Boost control two separate boost tables (untested on the bike so i dont know how usable it will be)

Table switching  (switch between fuel, boost, ign.,AFR tables on the fly the MS1 requires a hard ware mod to switch MS2 can do it in software.)

Two step launch control

User definable rev limit either fuel cut ign. cut or both

nossmiley control single stage with MS1 or two stage with MS2

Anti lag (used with Nos to help spool the turbo I have not used it so i dont know how well it works)

General purpose outputs (how many will depend on what your trying to do but most cases will leave at least two open to use more can be had with some thinking Hint Hint. LOL )

W/I control both turning the pump on and running a fast acting valve from Auqamist

12x12 fuel  tables (MS2 has 12x12 and 16x16 your choice)

AFR tables are 8x8 (MS2 has 12x12 AFR tables)

Boost tables are 6x6 (MS2 has one 8x8 Boost table)

Ign. Tables are 12x12 on both MS1 and MS2

Baro correction ( When you add a second map sensor or use the 4bar from DIY auto tune)

Can run both wasted spark or COP ignition

Batch fire Injection ( hopefully sequential soon)

Im sure im leaving some stuff out but thats it for now.

MS2 Extra has all of the stuff MS1 has except for the dual boost tables but everything else is there
(im talking about Extra Beta because there is so many out there so when i refer to MS2 Extra im referring to the Beta 2.0)

It also has table blending so you can choose between blending the table with both map and tps like the stock ECM does.

A better wheel decoding routine in the software for the Igniting timing.

and much more.


Now the dual processor board i was talking about is very nice because its like have 1 3/4 MS inside the same box you can run the motor on the main processor (Ms1 or MS2) and run additional stuff off the slave processor (MS1) like a set of secondaries , all the General purpose outputs from the slave processor all the Boost control stuff Nos stuff W/I stuff fan control everything with the second slave processor now they run independent from each other except for the few inputs they share like TPS,Tach,IAT,CLT,and O2 sensors all the rest are left open for use as whatever you want.

So basically you can run all the extra stuff on the main processor plus everything on the slave processor witch will open up quite a bit of outputs and a few inputs for other stuff , and my interface board will be setup to use it .


The interface board will have the stock ECU connector on board (pending word from my supplier) so it will plug straight into the stock harness the only thing you will need to do is remove the stock Map sensor,Baro sensor,and change out the IAT for the open element style we use with the MS plug in your MS box to the interface board then your done.

Then if you want to switch back to the stock ECU you just reinstall the sensors and plug the stock ECM back in and you can go back to stock no repining or cutting will be required.

This is untested im still designing the board and i do not have a MS running full stand alone YET but i need to know what people want standard on board the interface board before i send out for the boards to be made.

I welcome any questions or changes that might be wanted.



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« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2008, 06:03:10 AM »

How about output shaft speed and Clutch basket speed inputs?

The speedo gauge is already setup in megatune but tonight i went through and added a clutch speed gauge in megatune and i can use two of the spare ADC inputs to watch both of them.

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« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2008, 06:14:03 AM »

I also got a response from the suppliers for the Stock ECU connectors today and they are suppose to get back to me on a quote for them i just hope its not like the main company quoted me at 2000.00 for 500.
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« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2008, 06:48:32 PM »

I also got a response from the suppliers for the Stock ECU connectors today and they are suppose to get back to me on a quote for them i just hope its not like the main company quoted me at 2000.00 for 500.

Buy some old power commanders and cut them off LOL.
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« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2008, 06:56:43 PM »

I also got a response from the suppliers for the Stock ECU connectors today and they are suppose to get back to me on a quote for them i just hope its not like the main company quoted me at 2000.00 for 500.

Buy some old power commanders and cut them off LOL.
wrong plug Wink
i think
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« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2008, 08:58:26 PM »

I also got a response from the suppliers for the Stock ECU connectors today and they are suppose to get back to me on a quote for them i just hope its not like the main company quoted me at 2000.00 for 500.

Buy some old power commanders and cut them off LOL.
wrong plug Wink


Wrong side of the ECU? 
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« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2008, 09:02:00 PM »

I also got a response from the suppliers for the Stock ECU connectors today and they are suppose to get back to me on a quote for them i just hope its not like the main company quoted me at 2000.00 for 500.

Buy some old power commanders and cut them off LOL.
wrong plug Wink


Wrong side of the ECU?

cost too much lol

but we are looking for the ecu plug itself
both of them
and it would cost too much to trash a good ecu



are the old pc's using the ecu plugs? i havent messed with the pc 2's
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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2008, 09:20:09 PM »

I also got a response from the suppliers for the Stock ECU connectors today and they are suppose to get back to me on a quote for them i just hope its not like the main company quoted me at 2000.00 for 500.

Buy some old power commanders and cut them off LOL.
wrong plug Wink


Wrong side of the ECU?

cost too much lol

but we are looking for the ecu plug itself
both of them
and it would cost too much to trash a good ecu



are the old pc's using the ecu plugs? i havent messed with the pc 2's

pcuii uses ecu plug, but i think just 1 side
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« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2008, 09:23:13 PM »

thank you  Cool
i think he needs both plugs if i remember right


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« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2008, 05:52:50 PM »

My mate doing the tuneboy engine management  had the same probs,
just to buy a couple of connectors for testing was going to be $120  Shocked
decided it was more effective to hardwire at this stage..
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« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2008, 10:38:11 PM »

great info..keep it coming drunk smilie
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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2008, 10:51:49 PM »

keep us posted of your progress.. i'm interested ...... Cool
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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2008, 11:07:41 PM »

I also got a response from the suppliers for the Stock ECU connectors today and they are suppose to get back to me on a quote for them i just hope its not like the main company quoted me at 2000.00 for 500.

Buy some old power commanders and cut them off LOL.
wrong plug Wink


Wrong side of the ECU?

cost too much lol

but we are looking for the ecu plug itself
both of them
and it would cost too much to trash a good ecu



are the old pc's using the ecu plugs? i havent messed with the pc 2's

pcuii uses ecu plug, but i think just 1 side
Yeah if you look at a stock ecu you will see that the plug on the ECU itself is actually one connector with two separate headers one has 34 pins and the other has 26 pins they actually call it a 60 pin header thats the one im trying to get i have located them and im waiting on a qoute from a supplier in the UK who has them in stock they are kinda slow on their response so who knows.

I called the manufacture and they want $2000.00 for the minimum order of 500 connectors a little more than i want to spend they only list for 4.50 a piece but i cant swallow 2000.00 for 500 that i dont even know how many i would actually need they said 14-16 weeks to make since they come from Japan so i will keep my hopes up that the guys from over the creek will come through.
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« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2008, 11:14:18 PM »

My mate doing the tuneboy engine management  had the same probs,
just to buy a couple of connectors for testing was going to be $120  Shocked
decided it was more effective to hardwire at this stage..
Yeah i filled out a sample form from them but i dont think thats going to happen.LOL

I really would like to get the stock ECU connectors for the board even if i have to source out junk stock ECU's and desolder the header from the board thats alot of work for a 5.00 connector but i would rather do that than cut up a good harness if i cant i would just start over with a totally new harness but thats will be my last resort. The first boards i order will have the header on it as i have an old ecu here im going to rob the connector off of and if i have to i will just incorporate a new easier to find connector to , if the stock connector source falls through.
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« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2008, 11:26:14 PM »

Would anything on the stock gauges be lost if going to this standalone?
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« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2008, 11:31:35 PM »

great info..keep it coming drunk smilie

Why thanks im trying my best some of this info might change over time so check back often to see whats going on im not making any promises on this so i dont want to get your hopes up that this is working yet the only thing im worried about so far is the crank trigger and cam trigger signals as OZ pointed out these will be the hardest part by far.
 

keep us posted of your progress.. i'm interested ...... Cool
I will do. Im going to start on the fuel side of the standalone tomorrow that will be the easy part one thats sorted then i will move on to the spark side once thats done i will go back over my board layout and make sure everything is in order and if so i will place an order for the fist two boards and see how it works i have a couple of busa's here i am going to try it on and if they all work  like i hope then i will place a order for more boards and any body who wants to buy one and try it out will be welcome to.     Greg Smith is first though.LOL

Depending on how hard it is to assemble i may offer it as a kit for anybody who wants to build it on their own.
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« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2008, 11:34:02 PM »

Cool Cheesy

What year ECU are you settting it up off of?  I have a 2000 turbo busa, wife has an 05 stocker.
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« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2008, 11:37:03 PM »

Would anything on the stock gauges be lost if going to this standalone?
Yes the clt temp gauge will not work unless i decode the Data signal to the dash the stock ECM sends the data signal through one wire ( I think) to the dash for the codes and the CLT gauge im not to worried about that yet but ideally i would love to get that working too but i will probably need some help on that part i can do a little coding but im not a all that great when it comes to that stuff. The speedo and tach should still work just fine and all the other lights.
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« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2008, 11:40:43 PM »

Cool Cheesy

What year ECU are you settting it up off of?  I have a 2000 turbo busa, wife has an 05 stocker.
First will be the 04 . Witch i think is the same from 01-07 right? I also have a rotor for a 2000 witch should cover all the years. The wiring diagrams i went off for this board are for the 04 the older 16bit ecu (99-00) might have the pins assigned different in the connectors but i have both harnesses here so i can see if they run different in them or not .
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« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2008, 06:13:11 AM »

couple of pins are different , only 2 looms 01 was the changover but still used the 8 pole rotor.02 was the 24 pole rotor, 99-00 was 8 bit,01 was 16 bit 02+ 32bit
i'll see if i can find my pinout diagrams. 
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