Bazzaz Box. What are your thought?

[Coryonbusa]

Spaz was talking about it over on the SH.
I found this page http://www.sportbikes.com/articles.aspx?id=28682

Sounds cool. On-the-fly fuel adjustments, you just input your desired A/F.

Thoughts?

[Dan.J]

yah been following that.....sounds kinda interesting

[Coryonbusa]

I dont know how you could hook secondaries up to it.
But for us Stage 1 guys, it sounds cool.

If you had an '08, it would be perfect.

[Coryonbusa]

Their site...
http://www.bazzazperformance.com/

[Chris Horoho]

last i had heard they hadnt realeased to the public yet
apex was(?) they builder i thought
i had an ongoing arguement with him about his claiming the best
when i personally am going with the MS standalone setup (partial to the system though)
but if im wrong then sorry

they had claimed aot higher cost then in the first link
he was claiming 1800 (too expensive)

im needing to see more testing on a turbo system before id ever put it on one of my bikes
i feel tonies setup is alot more adaptable to the turboes
and alot cooler options too


i would sure love to know who is the one behind it if its not apex
(i thought they were the same but might not be)
they were claiming 3 yrs ago they were going to release it

[Gsxturbo]

last i had heard they hadnt realeased to the public yet
apex was(?) they builder i thought
i had an ongoing arguement with him about his claiming the best
when i personally am going with the MS standalone setup (partial to the system though)
but if im wrong then sorry

they had claimed aot higher cost then in the first link
he was claiming 1800 (too expensive)

im needing to see more testing on a turbo system before id ever put it on one of my bikes
i feel tonies setup is alot more adaptable to the turboes
and alot cooler options too


i would sure love to know who is the one behind it if its not apex
(i thought they were the same but might not be)
they were claiming 3 yrs ago they were going to release it

This is not the same thing Pinky this is from Bazzaz not Apex i think this is a add on box that piggybacks with your stock ECU to do the fuel tunning. It might be a good product i dont know there are so many out there its hard to say witch one is the best one.

My suggestion would be to read up on it as much as you can ask plenty of questions and see if it will work for what you want it might be a wonderful product i dont know.

[Chris Horoho]

ive known of the bazzaz but didnt know if apex was the builder

its seems they arent the same
bazzaz has been claiming to release this for a few yrs but never had an ecu for the busa
i say like tony said see whatg others are finding out before the swap


i also thought it was a standalone but i guess not
that seems kinda high on cost
also how does it piggyback if it doesnt have a stock harness pigtail?

[Coryonbusa]

I've found a lot post in old forums about it, like from 2002.
They were talking about the traction control.

I sent them an email asking if they ever had one or how it would work on a turbo bike, or nitrous.
Be curious to know.
The only mods they mention on their site is a full pipe.

Is their a way to do the same thing with MS?

[Coryonbusa]

If you take into account $550 for the LC-1, LMA-3 and the $350 PCIIIr set up I have it's a little cheaper.

[Chris Horoho]

http://turbobikes.org/forum/index.php/topic,15.0.html

combines with this and your set


http://turbobikes.org/forum/index.php/topic,175.0.html


add an lc-1/or other wideband setup and youve got a killer setup then
read some of the options and youll see

it appears youll still need a wideband with their setup

[Coryonbusa]

The Bazzaz system comes with an O2 senser.
You tell it what a/f you want to be at any given RPM/throttle position and it holds the a/f there.

No logging, no analysing and making fuel adjustments.

[Chris Horoho]

so its a closed loop system
yes the MS has a cosed loop setup also
but is it fast enough on a drag race application?

and which setup is it?
i seen a few different setups of the bazzaz in the first link
i didnt fully read it but i didnt know it was a full closed loop
MS has that but it needs to be a close tune to utilize the setup

[Coryonbusa]

yes, it is a closed loop.
And you would prolly need the base tuning to be close, didn't think of that.

They use it on Superbikes, so it's got to work good. You would just need your ECU's flash to be close.

This
http://www.bazzazperformance.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=28&category_id=8&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=26


With this
http://www.bazzazperformance.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=2&category_id=17&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=26

[Coryonbusa]

But then, you couldn't add secondaries to it either.

[Chris Horoho]

are you refering to the afm?

or the fuel controll unit?


youd require both right?
that what it apears with the links you posted (i hit submitt without seeing your post)

[Chris Horoho]

id prefer the tunability of the MS on those aspects
there is alot more with the MS you can do
plus you can add and controll the secondaries wit the same MS

[Coryonbusa]

I agree there are a lot more capabilities with the MS.

You would use them both. The Z-AMF kit is an add on.

[Coryonbusa]

Though, here a screen shot of the software
http://www.bazzazperformance.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=37

It looks like you can adjust it like a PC???
No need for the ECU's flash to be close?

[Chris Horoho]

so how does it piggy back to your stock ecu?
does it have a harness not shown?

[Gsxturbo]

The MS is nice you can even build your own it costs 140.00 for the kit 65.00 for the stimulator and make a harness for it. For around 240- 260.00 you can have everything MS related to run it as a secondary setup. You would still need the injectors and plenum modded though.

I encourage people to build their own MS its real easy and you will learn alot plus if anything ever goes wrong with the MS you will be able to fix it yourself .